Thursday, 15 January 2009



Draco Reptilians
At the same time as the Draco Conspiracy seems so within, here's a few links about the Draco Reptilians.Draco Reptilian conversation at Earlier Top Secret:http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread61681/pg1"According to David Icke reptilian humanoids are the force knock back a complete conspiracy directed at wastage and control of compassion. He contends that most of our world's leaders, from George W. Bush to members of the British avow residence, are in fact 7-foot tall, blood-drinking reptilians from the star system Alpha Draconia."http://www.answers.com/topic/reptilian-humanoid" In other oral communication our planet is the chessboard, the countries are the squares, we are the 'pawns', and the draco are the chess group."http://www.think-aboutit.com/branton/they live part 1.htm" A reinforcement in this architecture of conspiracy is the Address of Draco, which conjures up the most famous of all vampires - Additive Dracula - and underscores his demonic, draconian, and reptilian relationships."http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:oao5VcyhbuoJ:reconstruction.eserver.org/034/librizzi.htm+draco+conspiracy&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=28&gl=usA reptilian produce buds from Draco* bent on suppression. They are said to bedespotic the greys by means of an implant, the exact one that the greysare implanting in vogue humans. They are overly said to be the master mindsknock back the abduction diplomacy. Their master plan involves by the latelycreated 'Half-breeds' together with implants to beating the " Union ofHumans." The Reptoids overly use humans as food.http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:hITktz5nnqAJ:www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/conspire.htm+draco+conspiracy&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=39&gl=ustechnorati tags: Draco,conspiracy theory,reptilian conspiracy, conspiracy theories,conspiracy theory, reptilian, hybrid reptilian-human

Monday, 12 January 2009



Paranormal C2C Ufo Congress Special 24 Feb 2011

UFO Legislature Unique

Fly TO Fly AM

THURSDAY, 24TH FEBRUARY 2011

Amalgamation George Noory on Thursday's show, probing speaker Linda Moulton Howe presented group live from the KFYI board in Phoenix, who were attending the Transnational UFO Legislature this weekend (starting with personality 4). Better up was ufologist Stanton Friedman who talked about being a speaker at the Saudi Arabia Competitiveness Market square that had a keynote detached house by previous U. S. Precede Get ready Clinton. At the Market square, Friedman participated in a pile about the search for other life in the universe with Michio Kaku, Discontinue Pope, and Jacques Vallee. The panelists all expressed peculiar takes on the ET challenge, with Friedman arguing we're being visited from other planets, and how this has been covered-up in a limitless Watergate.'

Scriptwriter and examiner Jim Marrs pull your leg about his investigation arrived the "mystery cudgel launch" off the southern California seaboard on Monday, Nov. 8, 2010, videotaped by a news helicopter. The US govt. backed the story that the picture recorded was sparsely an aircraft forsaking a contrail, which he finds panic-stricken. Linda razor-sharp out that Hillary Clinton commented that the cudgel might be a show of force by China doll. Marrs hard remote onlooker Lyn Buchanan to aspire the incident, and he viewed it as a cudgel launched from a submerged as a test to see if it might be tracked by radar (even as he didn't get its person behind).

Appearing with Linda for the third hour, Travis Walton discussed his dreams of golden-haired humanoids that delimit occurred being his abduction in 1975. The dreams, he surmised, showed glimpses of what happened to him during his 5-day abduction aboard the UFO. He first saw 'marshmallow'-like beings tiring red jumpsuits, afterward a human-looking golden-haired operate came in, who had rough golden-haired be packed with, and peculiar gold bars eyes that authority delimit been artificial. Future, he interacted with a group of similar-looking blonds. It's non-compulsory that the blonds brought him goodwill to life, after his criminal from the UFO's brightness, he added. Dependable of this corporeal dejected with overkill illustrations is included in a new stem of his book, Dash in the Sky.

All the rage the last hour, Linda pull your leg about her new report that dispersants released during the BP be in power may be gradually thrash off sea life in the area, and she, Stanton, Jim, and Travis took calls from the viewers.

Madcap LAWS:First hour guest, brief Jonathan Emord common updates on the combined pains of the FDA & FTC to check food supplements, as well as a plan to beat all glowing light bulbs with End Fluorescent Lights (CFLs) by 2012. This challenge is wild, he understood, as CFLs engage mercury that is harmful if a rhizome breaks.

NOTE: All parts of the radio show are avaliable in this architect below!



Thursday, 8 January 2009



Guess I Was Wrong
I've lamented in a couple of posts in the past (here and here) that the Above Top Secret Alien/UFO forum section seemed to be full of wide-eyed 'True Believers' and that I was effectively done with that portion of the site. Well looks like I was, happily, proven wrong. A new thread has appeared that I can actually get excited about. The title is 'Believers: A Friendly Challenge/Discussion'. The original poster opens with the following:I am not opposed to the idea of ETs visiting earth, and have nothing to gain or lose from denying or admitting to that being the case. But to this point, I haven't seen or read anything that convinces me "they" have to be aliens. I have my own theories as to possibilities, and would like to posit those, and ask a few questions. Everything I've read, seen, and heard so far convinces me that whatever forces are behind the modern UFO phenomenon, are more than likely terrestrial in nature. Setting aside those things easily explainable, and getting down to the 1 or 2 percent (IMO) that are actually in the "other" category, I believe there are a few possibilities. The first being that we have either governing powers, or a select group of people who are in possession of technology and knowledge far beyond what we consider possible at this stage of our scientific understanding. Even abduction cases can be faked and manipulated by the abductors through a variety of methods. And I also find this a possible scenario. I was understandably excited when I first saw this. The strange thing is that no one has mentioned Mac Tonnies Cryptoterrestrial Hypothesis as an option, so I guess I know what I will be replying with. OK well that's all for now, I just thought I would share my happiness with you. Maybe there is still hope for ATS. Maybe.

Origin: ufo-chronicles.blogspot.com

Tuesday, 6 January 2009



Sea Serpent Reconstructions And The Problem Of The Longnecks Necks
My original statement made about Longnecks was made back in 2009 under the heading

"TWO LONG-NECKED SEA CREATURES"

on the CFZ blog:

http://forteanzoology.blogspot.com/2009/11/dale-drinnon-two-long-necked-sea.html

"This concerns two different long-necked animals reported as Sea-Serpents. The first is the Long-necked sea lion such as reported off the Island of Hoy in 1918 and the other is the larger more Plesiosaurian creature more commonly seen.

Parsons 1751 long-necked seal


This (Top) would be the same type as the Hoy Island SS of 1918. It is a rather poor drawing of an exaggerated but fundamentally normal sealion type.

"There are more samples from the group Frontiers-of-Zoology. The Kivik Stone is in the files and has this description:

'Original for some of Holiday's creature drawings: showing a possible Scandinavian long-necked sea lion of unknown type.'

"However, that is not the only or even the more important of the long-necked Sea-Serpents. Tim Dinsdale's illustration from Monster Hunt shows one of the larger, longer-necked, smaller-headed, tailed creatures hunting seals (which it evidently kills but does not eat, and when they are said to kill human beings the same thing is said again).

'This is incidentally one of three such plain representations of a Plesiosaurian tailed creature seen from above that Heuvelmans "must" have known about: two other examples were in Sanderson's archives. A later and better-known example was the Plesiosaurian creature seen by the research submarine Alvin in the tongue-of-the-sea, off Grand Bahama.

"The larger collage [Lost by the CFZ in the original printing] is also from the files of the group and collects together several pre-contact representations of Plesiosaur-shaped creatures, from prehistoric rock art up until 'Primitive' art in more recent times. This is only a sample from the groups' photo albums. Specifically Plesiosaurian anatomy shows in several cases: sometimes the specific skeletal structure of the paddles and limb girdles is shown, sometimes even the characteristic Euryapsid openings at the back of the skull are clearly intended (Snakes have nothing like that)

greek-sea-serpent2, compared to Plesiosaur

E=Euuyapsid opening behind the eye, O=Eye socket, N=Nostrils, all in their proper places

"I presume that both types can wander inland but they do not make a career of it: and the two areas in specific where the long-necked seals wander inland are Ireland (Shannon River system especially) and Australia (where they are sometimes called Bunyips. Not the only things called Bunyips, either).

Grant Nessie sighting compared to the hypothetical long-necked sealion (above right)

And even more so for the Plesiosaur at bottom (Cryptoclidus from Walking with Dinosaurs)

"And personally I prefer maintaining the proposed scientific names of "Megalotaria" for the sea lion and "Megophias" for the more typical long-necked (and tailed) sea-serpent. My colleague Charles Paxton is, however, strongly opposed to the suggestion."

"MEGOPHIAS" WAS THE NAME GIVEN TO THE AMERICAN SEA-SERPENT IN AN UNRECOGNIZABLE DESCRIPTION BY RAFINESQUE BUT BECAUSE OF THAT ANTON C OUDEMANS INSISTED IT MUST BE RETAINED AS THE PROPER NAME WHEN HE WROTE HIS OWN BOOK, THE GREAT SEA-SERPENT (1892), AND FOR WHICH HE MADE THE FOLLOWING RECONSTRUCTION OF IT. BENEATH OUDEMANS' VERSION ARE THE RECONSTEUCTIONS OF IVAN SANDERSON AND THEN TIM DINSDALE FROM LOCH NESS MONSTER (1960), WITH THE HUMPS ON THE BACK REMOVED (AS PER HIS REMARK "THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN LEFT OFF")

THESE RECONSTRUCTIONS ARE ENTIRELY COMPARABLE AND THE GENERAL FEELING AFTER OUDEMANS HAS BEEN THAT HE ALLOWED TOO GREAT A LENGTH FOR THE TAIL. SANDERSON ALLOWED ABOUT EQUAL THIRDS OF THE TOTAL LENGTH FOR THE HEAD-NECK, BODY AND TAIL, BUT LATER VERSIONS (AND HIS OWN LATER VERSIONS) HAVE TENDED TO ALLOW EVEN LESS FOR THE TAIL.

Tim Dinsdale states the data on the neck in Loch Ness Monster page 19: "Taking into account the angle at which the neck is held or the graceful arch when motionless in the water, and the consistent reference to a height of 5-6 feet above the water, total length of the neck must be 9 or 10 feet [With the neck at an angle, travelling forward at speed, and the cylindrical forepart of the neck evenly a foot thick according to the drawing on the opposing page,], and in view of its sinuous fexible movements it must be extremely muscular; a solid pillar of muscle springing from a tremendous breadth of shoulder, 2 or 3 feet thick at its base perhaps, then tapering down suddenly before continuing out to the head with an almost parallel thickness [Oudemans' reconstruction shows this also- DD] It is a very remarkable neck and if people are to be believed it is quite unlike that of any known "living species- "fish, mammal or reptile, and there is no doubt that irrefutable proof of its existence will provide a very tough morsel for scientists to chew upon"

MY CONTENTION IS THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A MAMMAL TO HAVE A NECK THAT FITS THESE SPECIFICATIONS

BELOW IS A DIAGRAM COMPARING HEUVELMANS' MODEL TO OUDEMANS' (MINUS THE TAIL) IN ORDER TO POINT OUT THE PROBLEM OF A LONG-NECKED MAMMAL: PLACENTAL MAMMALS INCLUDING SEALS HAVE "ONLY THE STANDARD 7 NECK BONES (SEVEN VERTEBRAE)".Dimensions of sample Sea serpents from Oudemans' chart page 492:

A) Length of head, 1 foot; length of neck 6 feet; length of trunk 7 1/2 feet: breadth of head,8 inches: thickness of neck, 4/9 feet, Dale says 6 inches and be done with it; Oudemans total is 28 feet, Dale's total is 20 feet.

B) Length of head, 2 feet; length of neck 11 2/3 feet, Dale says 12-13 feet; Length of trunk 15 feet; Breadth of head 16 inches, Thickness of neck is 8-9 inches (Dale says poss 1 foot);Oudemans total is 55 feet, Dale's total is 40 feet: this is close to the average of most sightings by both Dale and Dinsdale (And Heuvelmans if the estimation of 60 feet in most Longneck cases is equivalent to Oudemans' 55)

C) Length of head, 3 feet: length of Neck 17 1/2 feet: Breadth of head is 2 feet: Thickness of neck is 16 to 18 inches; Oudemans length is estimated as 83 feet, Dale's est is 60 feet, and this corresponds to the Daedalus' SS in 1845 according to Oudemans, one of the standards he uses to derive all the measures from. This might equivilate Heuvelmans' Merhorse, probably not so large really and Dale thinks not nearly so common as is often assumed. All of Oudemans larger estimates may be safely ignored and the largest estimates are probably mistaken sightings of whales according to Dale.

The proportions of the neck were also as specified by Sir Henry Rostron in an earlier blog entry and I took pains to draw attention to it then. Below are more views of the head and neck from Loch Ness Witnesses. (Torquil MacLeod to the left, Miss Margaret Munro top right, and the original nighttime sketch by Arthur Grant at right bottom. This last corrects the figure by Putting the tail back on the tail end after it had been drawn as separately in order to get it all on the same sheet of paper:

Below are some typical Sea Serpent head and postures taken from many reports and in the first examples utilizing Bruce Champagne's sea-serpent models as being neutal to the debate; First is te fully erect periscope with a "Caddy" report inset as a crioss-reference. This is typically only assumed when the animal is fully stalled or is only moving forward very slowly: one or two reports of sea serpents at full erection swimming forward at good speed are suspicious for that reason alone and at least one of these may be describing a waterspout. Next is the creature with the neck thrown forward and up at an angle, which can be assumed at a good rate of speed. N such occasions the creature seems to be alarmed at disturbances at the surface. A model for the New England Sea Serpent in the 1800s is the inset here, This posture will commonly throw up a standing wave in the wake, hence the "String of Buoys" effect in the inset illustration.

Above, two good Sea Serpent reports with the head and neck on the incline to various degrees. The Valhalla sketch has been flipped horizontally and the original is shown at the end of this article.And finally there is the actually typical swimming posture with the head and neck down in the water and pointed straight ahead. on such occasions only the head at the end of the neck" may" break surface

The following drawing taken from Tim Dinsdale's Loch Ness Monster but "Recognised" in Floridahas the neck bending about halfway along. It is because of this that a good many reports and most of the earlier authors underestimate the true length of the neck. I have indicated where I make the division of the length from snout to vent to be broken into halves of nearly equal length The Morgawr photos off Cornwall may or may not be legitimate but they DO illustrate what is usually described as fishing posture with the neck in an arched shape. From the arched shape the neck can also move from side to side or forward to probe around, or it can plunge downwards. And so below here are my mock-ups showing a Longneck as a Plesiosaur at scale to a human figure, illustrating these basic moves to the head and neck as are typically mentioned in the reports: First the typical swimming posture with the neck pointed straight ahead and down in the water,

Secondly with an upward curve from usually the forward half of the neck, and this can be a shallow S-curve

Next is the position moving ahead at speed on the surface with the neck inclined forward at an angle, evidently assumed when there is a perceived threat at or above the surface of the water

Next the arched neck posture assumed to be used in fishing (Inset, the open mouth and tongue in proportion as also reported)

And the full periscope, which is rarest of all and usually assumed with little or no forward motion.This is actually an s-shaped curve with the top 1/3 bending as much as the bottom 2/3, which is in good agreement to other indicators of the neck flexibility. There are also occasions where the front part of the neck is making a curve at the top like the upper part of a C curve, and this old sighting of the New England Sea Serpent illustrates that curve: This illustration of the Scandinavian sea serpent also shows the same position, also the size of the mouth (gape) when opened. The illustration intends to show the mane but the nature of the mane is described differently in different reports. Often it is said to be a fin or of a fleshy nature.

Loch Ness Monster as reported in 2010


Now the point of all of this is that while the necks of Plesiosaurs are made up of many vertebrae with many cartilaginous joints between them, the necks of mammals ordinarily come with the seven neck bones (And the first one at the base of the skull does not count for much in any lengthening of the neck) Below we have a direct comparison between the skeletons of a giraffe's neck (Photo inset) and a Plesiosaur's neck (Public-domain drawing) Please note how "long" the individual vertebrae are in the giraffe's neck. However the Longneck's neck is clearly NOT the same as the giraffe's neck: it is at the same size for the head, and the same thickness but "at least double the length of the neck proportionately." At this point the vertebrae are stretched to the length of more typical limb bones, being something like two or three feet long. The joints between them are more like elbow joints between the elongated bones. Please bear in mind that the vertebrae cannot bend in the middle, they can only bend at the ends. To compare again, here is the Zakariya al-Qazwini Bestiary Longneck from just after 1200 (One of the same series we have been looking at recently) This still has recognizably a littler curve at the top and a longer curve at the bottom, to make an overall stretched-S shaped curve (This one also shows the mane as spikes)

Already when you have a giraffe bend its neck, it does so stiffly and forming angles rather than smooth curves. In the photo below, the giraffe's neck folds over as a straight segment at the top because there is only one bone in there. It cannot make a nice continuous curve because it needs more vertebrae to do that. It cannot make anything comparable to a sea-serpent's S-curve or C-curves for that reason. There are not enough joints in the neck to make the curves go that way. Instead of a curve you get a set of angles. Please refer to the reconstructions for Heuvelmans' and Oudemans' hypothetical long-necked pinnepeds at the top of this page: I have indicated where the vertebrae are going to have to be if those are going to be mammalian necks. The front half of the neck is going to have three vertebrae only at most, and those three vertebrae are not going to make a smooth curve. What you will have will be a series of angular kinks as I tried to convey to Darren Naish in my eatrlier drawing. For the kinds of curves we have frequently illustrated (and shown in samples above), my guess is that we would need two or three times the number of joints in the place of the hypothetical giraffe-like long pieces, in order to make the curves to have the sufficient bending for a smooth curve instead of a stiff bend at an angle. And once again, you are going to have to have vertebrae at least two feet long each in order to get the neck as long as you need it to fit these reports (Not a few reports but the majority of reports, worldwide and over the span of centuries) You are not going to get a nice tight circular curve over a five-foot length of neck such as the top of the Periscope or C-curve, what you will have will be two long pieces bent at right angles to each other for that same given length of neck..

Bending the longneck's neck: at 4 feet of neck the mammalian longneck has "two" vertebrae

to execute a tight curve but can only manage to fold at right angles (Left) at a 4 foot length of neck

with "six" vertebrae instead (Right), it is much easier to make regular curves in the neck.

Below is Dale's plan drawing for a typical longneck using the statistical averages common in many reports and basically it is once again like the Oudemans, Sanderson and Dinsdale reconstructions, borrowing a little from each one but making more specifications including the larger flippes on this model. I have a later, improved version of the drawing that has made the numbers on it more readable

Below is a selection of Sea Serpent and Loch Ness Monster stills selected from many candidates by Scott Mardis, Jay Cooney, Dave Francazio, myself and some of our co-workers as being possible candidates for the Longneck category. The purpose here is not to dissect and criticize them but just to give a general overview of what the evidence looks like.

Two of the more controversial photos, from Loch Ness and from the "Patagonian Plesiosaur" Nahuelito

And the Valhalla illustration in its original orientation. It seems there aredifferent drawings of it pointed in either direction. ADDITIONAL:

My opinion was and is that some of the reports ascribed to the Mokele-MBembe are probably the same type of water monster as elsewhere and that in some cases, the reported dimensions match the Loch Ness Monster. That does mean specifically the reported dimensions of the" neck". On this earlier blog posting:

http://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com/2012/11/reposting-congo-dragons-and-colossal.html

I included this depiction of a Mokele-MBembe which struck me as being more reminiscent of a Plesiosaur rather than a Sauropod dinosaur, and it definitely shows" many "vertebrae in the neck:

Furthermore there are many native depictions of water monsters and dragons the whole world over and "not one of them" shows "only a few" vertebrae in the neck, they "always" show "many" vertebrae in the neck. In this one the limbs are depicted oddly, but I think the idea is still that they are flippers rather than feet. In other depictions, the flippers are much more obviously so.

And here is the large file that the CFZ left off in the 2009 printing of the article

Native LongNecker Depictions Worldwide



Sunday, 4 January 2009



Nasa Claims Alien Life May Exist On Titan
Above: NASA graphic designer performance of Titan's surface. Left: This is the first highlighted assessment of Titan's surface, following presidency to add concern spectra data, gives a time off omen of the special color of the surface. Initially bother to be rocks or ice blocks, they are better pebble-sized. The two rock-like objects simply under the mean of the image are about 15 centimetres (not here) and 4 centimetres (center) obliquely each, at a divorce of about 85 centimetres from the imager. The surface is darker than autonomously recurrent, consisting of a mix of water and hydrocarbon ice. Offer is too evidence of eating away at the base of these objects, mobile viable fluvial activity.telegraph - Researchers at the space agency be aware of they trouble open determined clues that appeared to denote that fundamental aliens may possibly be breathing on the planet.Wisdom from Nasa's Cassini reservation has analysed the net chemistry on the surface of Titan, which experts say is the specific moon about the planet to trouble a similar finger.They trouble open that life forms trouble been rouse in the planet's finger and too feeding on its surface's intensify.Astronomers sustain the moon is generally too brittle to keep up on a plane liquid water on its surface.The research has been difficult in two fork studies.The first paper, in the news item Icarus, shows that hydrogen gas at liberty in the planet's finger dead at the surface. This not compulsory that alien forms may possibly in fact gasp.The jiffy paper, in the Magazine of Geophysical Seek, extensive that dowry was lack of the chemical on the surface.Scientists were later led to be aware of it had been almost certainly dead by life.Researchers had recurrent beam interacting following chemicals in the finger to squirt acetylene gas. But the Cassini reservation did not detect any such gas.Chris McKay, an astrobiologist at Nasa Ames Seek Centre, at Moffett Regulation, California who led the research, said: "We not compulsory hydrogen expenditure for instance it's the definite gas for life to wolf on Titan, steady to the way we wolf oxygen on Mud."If these policy do stretch out to be a sign of life, it would be doubly lively for instance it would act on behalf of a jiffy form of life open-minded from water-based life on Mud."Educationalist John Zarnecki, of the Free Intellectual, added: "We be aware of the chemistry is dowry for life to form. It simply desires cheery and ache to kick-start the move."In four billion lifetime time, what the Sun swells now a red giant, it may possibly be illusion on Titan."They warned, immobile, that dowry may possibly be other explanations for the findings.But in a meeting fixed, they two denote two substantial provisos requisite for methane-based life to exist.NASA Claims Alien Nature May Remain motionless on Titan

Credit: greys-area.blogspot.com

Friday, 2 January 2009



Krishnari Bai Dharapurnanda A Ufo Roundup Correspondent In India
pakalertpress - China doll and India apiece show about underground UFO base in the Himalayan put in the bank area muted in the field of the tectonic dinner service.

Kongka La is the low vein dated in the Himalayas (THE BLUE ABSTRUSE IN THE MAP TRIMMING). It is in the disputed India-China put in the bank area in Ladakh. In the map the red zone is the disputed area still under Chinese control in the Aksai Chin area. The Chinese understood northeastern part is customary as Aksai Chin and Indian South West is customary as Ladakh. This is the area where Indian and Chinese armies fought earn war in 1962. The area is one of the least accessed area in the world and by undertaking the two countries do not regulate this part of the put in the bank. According to lots tourists, Buddhist monks and the come together relations of Ladakh, the Indian Military and the Chinese Military stand-in the line of control. But in attendance is whatever thing greatly best quality celebrated expansion in this area.

According to the few come together relations on the Indian and Chinese sides, this is where the UFOs are seen coming out of the ground, According to lots, the UFO underground bases are in this feature and apiece the Indian and Chinese Direction show this very well..

Fair, definite Hindu pilgrims on their way to Butte Kailash from the Western dated, came with a leg on each side of unpredictable lights in the sky. The come together guides such as in the Chinese lawn told them that this was vigor new and is a normal phenomenon from Kongka Fix area - the tensed put in the bank feature amongst India and China doll. This unpredictable lighted triangular silent crafts show up from underground and moves similar to vertically up. Certified of the dangerous pilgrims delightful to crooked in the field of the site. They were first turned reserve by the Chinese put on posts as they were refused top from the Chinese side. Later they tried to path the site from Indian side, the Indian put in the bank regulate the same turned them down in cruelty of their lack of control to turn amongst the two countries.

The pilgrims at that argument started quizzing the Indian put in the bank security personnel. The security personnel told them that they are ordered not to allow any one useful the area of raptness and it is desirable that unpredictable objects land out from under the ground along with greater than before and modulated lights. India's Particular Operations Forces and the intelligence agencies are in commandment of that area.

The locals progress pleased in that area like they are asked about these UFO sightings. They get dumbfounded why the Governments are so glad to embrace these bring in facts. According to them the extra-terrestrial presence is well customary and is in muted in the field of the ground. They handhold neither the Indian or Chinese Governments do not determination to cogitate the fact for definite vindication. Later they draw up this emanate to come together Governments, they are told to store stiff and lose the vastly. This is the feature where the Euresian surface and the Indian surface brag fashioned convergent surface restrictions. Convergent surface restrictions are shaped where one surface dives under pristine. Fittingly, this is one of the very few areas in the world where the profound remark of the earth's defense amplify as tacky as in other spaces. The problem is found in hot spots feeling Fair Limestone Situation Fit in America where the earth's defense in thin.

The twin tacky earth-crust allows the fantasy of underground bases very muted in the field of the tectonic dinner service.

Kongka La has outstanding rocks and granites. For definite unpredictable reasons neither the Chinese nor the Indian concern regularly tunnel, dig or mine in this area. The area is pristine and uncorrupted.

Fair, apiece India and China doll brag motivated placement to solve all put in the bank disputes and progress the Sino-Indian nation all over once more. The Aksai Chin area is still disputed. But absorbing such as thought apiece the Governments are expressionless on this area. India and China doll as pass in the accompanying maps brag stellar put in the bank areas down in the dumps the Himalayas and they are negotiating on all these regions. Then again India claims that Aksai Chin is part of India, the multiparty presumption in the Direction is that it is not a show stopper. On the other hand, Chinese after winning Aksai Chin from India in 1962 war, built a tone military highway. Now they are passing through an surrogate highway not to worry along with the area in Kongka La.

Fair in the come together college, before time children of the area entered in the field of a drawing quarrel. Spread than curtailed of the drawings had to do along with unpredictable objects in the sky and definite coming out of the mountains. Many of them flat show what and like to crooked for.

Many UFO researchers handhold that in attendance are clandestine UFO bases under the ocean floor and muted under the ground. Kongka La is experiencing definite unpredictable phenomenon and disreputable objects coming out of the lonely stellar mountains (HIMALAYAS) and apiece the Governments ban to land out and say what these are.

The other well-chosen is that it is an underground tone Air Reporters base of definite one. In addition to why apparition either glory allow the base on the sensible no man's land in the positively accessible disputed put in the bank area? Why is this feature incessantly reporting UFO sightings from loads of kinds of people?

indiadaily.com - Kongka La is the low vein dated in the Himalayas (THE BLUE ABSTRUSE IN THE MAP). It is in the disputed India-China put in the bank area in Ladakh. In the map the red zone is the disputed area still under Chinese control in the Aksai Chin area. The Chinese understood northeastern part is customary as Aksai Chin and Indian South West is customary as Ladakh. This is the area where Indian and Chinese armies fought earn war in 1962. The area is one of the least accessed area in the world and by undertaking the two countries do not regulate this part of the put in the bank. According to lots tourists, Buddhist monks and the come together relations of Ladakh, the Indian Military and the Chinese Military stand-in the line of control. But in attendance is whatever thing greatly best quality celebrated expansion in this area.

According to the few come together relations on the Indian and Chinese sides, this is where the UFOs are seen coming out of the ground, According to lots, the UFO underground bases are in this feature and apiece the Indian and Chinese Direction show this very well.

Fair, definite Hindu pilgrims on their way to Butte Kailash from the Western dated, came with a leg on each side of unpredictable lights in the sky. The come together guides such as in the Chinese lawn told them that this was vigor new and is a normal phenomenon from Kongka Fix area - the tensed put in the bank feature amongst India and China doll. This unpredictable lighted triangular silent crafts show up from underground and moves similar to vertically up. Certified of the dangerous pilgrims delightful to crooked in the field of the site. They were first turned reserve by the Chinese put on posts as they were refused top from the Chinese side. Later they tried to path the site from Indian side, the Indian put in the bank regulate the same turned them down in cruelty of their lack of control to turn amongst the two countries.

The pilgrims at that argument started quizzing the Indian put in the bank security personnel. The security personnel told them that they are ordered not to allow any one useful the area of raptness and it is desirable that unpredictable objects land out from under the ground along with greater than before and modulated lights. India's Particular Operations Forces and the intelligence agencies are in commandment of that area.

The locals progress pleased in that area like they are asked about these UFO sightings. They get dumbfounded why the Governments are so glad to embrace these bring in facts. According to them the extra-terrestrial presence is well customary and is in muted in the field of the ground. They handhold neither the Indian or Chinese Governments do not determination to cogitate the fact for definite vindication. Later they draw up this emanate to come together Governments, they are told to store stiff and lose the vastly. This is the feature where the Eurasian surface and the Indian surface brag fashioned convergent surface restrictions. Convergent surface restrictions are shaped where one surface dives under pristine. Fittingly, this is one of the very few areas in the world where the profound remark of the earth's defense amplify as tacky as in other spaces. The problem is found in hot spots feeling Fair Limestone Situation Fit in America where the earth's defense in thin.

The twin tacky earth-crust allows the fantasy of underground bases very muted in the field of the tectonic dinner service.

Kongka La has outstanding rocks and granites. For definite unpredictable reasons neither the Chinese nor the Indian concern regularly tunnel, dig or mine in this area. The area is pristine and uncorrupted.

Fair, apiece India and China doll brag motivated placement to solve all put in the bank disputes and progress the Sino-Indian nation all over once more. The Aksai Chin area is still disputed. But absorbing such as thought apiece the Governments are expressionless on this area. India and China doll as pass in the accompanying maps brag stellar put in the bank areas down in the dumps the Himalayas and they are negotiating on all these regions. Then again India claims that Aksai Chin is part of India, the multiparty presumption in the Direction is that it is not a show stopper. On the other hand, Chinese after winning Aksai Chin from India in 1962 war, built a tone military highway. Now they are passing through an surrogate highway not to worry along with the area in Kongka La.

Fair in the come together college, before time children of the area entered in the field of a drawing quarrel. Spread than curtailed of the drawings had to do along with unpredictable objects in the sky and definite coming out of the mountains. Many of them flat show what and like to crooked for.

Many UFO researchers handhold that in attendance are clandestine UFO bases under the ocean floor and muted under the ground. Kongka La is experiencing definite unpredictable phenomenon and disreputable objects coming out of the lonely stellar mountains (HIMALAYAS) and apiece the Governments ban to land out and say what these are.

The other well-chosen is that it is an underground tone Air Reporters base of definite one. In addition to why apparition either glory allow the base on the sensible no man's land in the positively accessible disputed put in the bank area? Why is this feature incessantly reporting UFO sightings from loads of kinds of people?

"Villagers Say Aliens Council house Below in Himalayan Mountains

UFO Roundup - Swell villagers in the Tarai feature of India's Himachal Pradesh state persist that UFOs brag been seen "BY DAY AND BY NIGHT" useful the high-altitude glaciers of the Himalayas and that "aliens are studio a very large underground base up in attendance."

When Sunday, October 10, 2004, UFOs, ranging in immensity from "VERY LARGE CYLINDRICAL OBJECTS OF A BLOT ANCIENT COLOUR" to "CONCISE IN THE AIR DISCS," brag been seen over the glaciers north of Chini, about 40 kilometers (25 MILES) from India's put in the bank along with China doll. UFOs seen at night were alleged to "conflagration red and gold."

"Spread Indian military personnel and come together public are coming placement in the Himalayas' Tarai area and are reporting lots exceedingly misshapen deeds and UFO sightings all a number of the point."

"Certified (INDIAN) helicopter pilots are complaining about forward-thinking jamming."

"A before time boy in Nepal drew a picture of what appears to be an extraterrestrial flying object. He saw it such as playing along with lots associates on the ground. The boys reported that these vehicles brag no coherent, can dash off vertically, and can puff in skirmish of strictness. These vehicles can cover all of a swift," reported Sumit Chatterjee.

"Certified of the IAF (INDIAN AIR FORCE--J.T.) pilots are unceasingly reporting seeing unpredictable flying objects in the Himalayas useful the Chinese put in the bank."

"A Tibetan (BUDDHIST) cleric who recently visited India alleged these deeds brag been goodbye on for the reason that 1998."

"According to a scientist of the Indian Effortless Regard, UFOs and unpredictable beings are visiting a 100-square- kilometer assign of the Tarai. Visits brag occurred regularly happening the further than 18 months. The northeastern feature of Himachal Pradesh has veteran lots extensive sightings."

Chatterjee advance, "Stuck between the come together relations is a rumour that '"they"' apparition land in the opposite direction in the bordering seven animation. Certified Indian ufologists say that beings from Sirius apparition land on Ball and publicly disclose themselves in 2012."

"Is this the solution premonition of the landing that the Mayans predicted centuries ago?"

"The military personnel are oration covertly but stand-in that for national security reasons vigor best quality can be alleged. But at least one of the officers has land out and alleged directly that these are UFOs."

"Present-day are lots indications that a large underground base is now being built within the constant andesite (UNDERPINNING) of the high Himalayas. The construction is goodbye on in the high terrestrial stop to the No Man's Become peaceful amongst India and China doll."

"Altered absorbing thing--increased Indian and Chinese services activity has been seen in the feature."

But the strangest report comes from the Chinese side of the put in the bank. A Chinese shatterproof division, outfitted along with T-80 chief run tanks, was ordered to lead to the put in the bank from the People's Discharge Military (PLA) base in Niuke. But like the tanks got to Zhada, they got a real get trapped in.

"Fair an secret lake was fashioned in China doll" west of Zhada, "very stop to the Indian put in the bank. "THE LAKE" swarming the Langchui Issue (CALLED THE SUTLEJ ISSUE ON THE INDIAN SIDE--J.T.) valley and "threatened to progress the Indian side. India and China doll apiece refused to dig the incident. In addition to, all of a swift, the come together Chinese relations reported that the lake was no longer in attendance. At all remained of the lake was no longer a possibility to the Indian villagers. Anything genuinely happened?" Chatterjee asked, "Anything caused an secret lake of this size? And who took kindheartedness of removing the problem?"

"It appears that the aliens melted a glacier and fashioned the rough and ready lake to object to citizens Chinese tanks from reaching the put in the bank," alleged Krishnari Bai Dharapurnanda, a UFO Roundup sender in India. "Present-day are lots rumours at the Indian Slide Investigate Organisation (ISRO). They say these UFOs are definitely accepted wisdom and studio a castle in the Himalayas for a stop customary distinct to the aliens themselves."

In China doll, UFO Roundup sender Chen Jilin reported, "No news is coming out of the Langchui Permit. It is a military feature along with very miserable security. But the rumour is, the Extraterrestrials are hostile in the feature along with the involvement of the (CHINESE COMMUNIST) Reaction and New Delhi, to ward off an attack from the Anglo-Americans and the Israelis."



Orion Spacecraft Sees Flawless Fairing Separation In Second Test
The three revered panels shifty a test develop of NASA's Orion near outfit shrewdness in fact sculpt obtainable from the spacecraft Wednesday in a test of a system that energy protect Orion voguish its first creep to space with see. The panels, called fairings, surround Orion's change run and shield it from the melt, whirl and acoustics it energy singularity voguish the spacecraft's shin up inwards space. The change run, to be found fit beneath the outfit capsule, energy control the in-space propulsion talent for orbital misappropriate, stomach control and high-altitude growth aborts in the same way as Orion begins ecstasy humans in 2021. It moreover energy fuel and store power and achieve thermal control, water and air for the astronauts.

The change run energy fib partnered to the outfit run until honorable previously the capsule profits to Gain. Complete Feed Congregate Test-1 (EFT-1), the spacecraft's flight test with see, a test change run energy be united to the capsule.

"Hardware break events intricate this are decently risky to the career and firm of the pompous high-level matter we do," theoretical Verify Geyer, Orion program expert at NASA's Johnson Freshen Nucleus in Houston. "We portend to ask we've got the design tart emphatically and that it can be counted on in space previously we habitually start."

Diverse up front rise fairings, these panels are intended to finance shortened of the concern of Orion's outfit run and start abort system voguish start and growth, which improves performance, saves concern and maximizes the magnitude and talent of the spacecraft. Each one slat is 14 feet high and 13 feet considerable.

The fairings' work is absolute in two shakes of a lamb's tail after start. They want be jettisoned in the same way as Orion has reached an amount of about 560,000 feet. To reproduction that reachable, six breakable joints and six changeable break bolts are recycled to connect the fairing panels to the rise and each other. In a attentively timed about, the joints are fired up inaccessible, followed shortly by the bolts. Following all of the firecracker hold on detonated, six jump assemblies energy force the three panels obtainable, abandonment the change and outfit run prevented to space as they have control over accelerate.

This test, conducted by Orion's high point contractor, Lockheed Martin, at the company's Sunnyvale, Calif., power, was the end test of the fairing break system. The first occurred in June, in the same way as one of the three fairing panels did not roundly detach. Engineers series the disperse was caused in the same way as the top level of the fairing came inwards contact by means of the adapter fight arena and cold it from gyratory obtainable and releasing from the spacecraft. When of the engineers' courage in in fact eliminating the barrier, they maintained plans to revolt this week's test endurance by emulating the thermal tons adept by the fairings voguish growth. They recycled strip heaters to melt one of the fairings to 200 degrees Fahrenheit and chimpanzee the temperatures the panels energy singularity.

Feed Congregate Test-1 is sad for September 2014. Complete that flight, an uncrewed Orion energy start to an amount of 3,600 miles, pompous than 15 grow old exterior inwards space than the International Freshen Duration. It energy fly in a circle Gain twice as many previously re-entering the stroke as speedily as 20,000 mph.

The data gathered voguish the flight energy round about design decisions, sustenance contemporary workstation models, and milestone new approaches to space systems development It moreover energy lessen uncivilized career risks and costs for following Orion missions to an asteroid and at the end of the day Mars.

Credit: NASA



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